JSDC
Entry: Darker, Darkest
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From nicole
Website: http://conceitedprincess.blogspot.com
Physical torture is hell (1st kickboxing class after Christmas break--well, ok, ever), but mental torture is way worse (i.e. WRITTINGG!!!!!!).

Or when no matter what you chose somebody is going to get their fingernails plucked off with red hot pincers.

Though fingers getting clipped off is obviously up there....
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From Jonsan
Torture, child molestation, and abortion are all neck and neck for me.
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Official Comment From Jessica Mae
If we are truly going to discuss the matter, we should first look at the definitions and interpretations of the word torture (or whatever else we are speaking of), and then decided whether we are speaking of the art of the torturer or the feeling of being tortured/the tortured.

For instance, many an evil act may be described by the victim as torture. How broadly are we using the term?

And before someone uses their mad wit to post, "reading JSDC is torture," Zing!: I beat you to it, you foolio.

From Curt Sawyer
Website: http://ussexcalibur.blogspot.com
I'll play devil's advocate. Lets say someone held the key to preventing multiple deaths...ala any season of 24. Would torture be justified in preventing those deaths? Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? Or the one? I'm just tossing some gas on these flames here...not expressing an opinion (yet).

I guess these questions cannot be answered unless you know that torture actually works or does not work. Lets say it does, because if torture does not work then the point is moot...does torturing someone to get the location of a weapon of mass destruction about to deatonate, for example, justify it if that information saves ten lives? A hundred? A thousand? Where is the line?

I will say that I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of it...I can imagine quite a lot of nasty things, even without having seen Nip/Tuck and I wouldn't want that to happen to me. But I don't try to kill large quantities of people, either. What if the subject was evil?

Just tossing some thoughts out before bed...
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From Greg
Website: http://www.artofgregmartin.com
...I'm a little curious as to what brought this wondering though on?
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From Greg
Website: http://www.artofgregmartin.com
...(sigh) damn keyboard. Wondering THOUGHT on...
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Official Comment From Jessica Mae
Was it not clear that it was the lukewarm, not-so-tasty chocolate that did it?

Well, it was. You know how my mind runs on, and on, and then on some more?

It was like that.

But faster.

From Unsomnambulist
Website: http://offlineadventures.com
"What is the most sickening, revolting, abhorrent, ghastly thing in existence?"

Knowing that people enjoy inflicting and watching the suffering of others. Second, are the people who do nothing about it. Third, overdraft fees from Bank of America.
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From Stephanie
Website: http://www.medusaeyes.com
The worst thing for me would not be the physical torture of myself, but knowing someone I love was going through physical torture and I couldn't help or stop it.

That, and having to listen to Tom Cruise expound on the history of pshyciatry.

Because I'm glib.
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From EM
I remember waiting for Aidmheil to arrive. That was pretty rough. But I guess that's more a case of delayed gratification...
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Official Comment From Jessica Mae
Haha—

Anyway, you guys owe me one. I am totally your martyr:

I went to see Tristan & Isolde so that I could confirm that it is bad and that you should actively avoid attending a showing.

Talk about taking on some torture for the team…

I will understand if you want to erect tall statues of me in every town you pass through.

From Stef
I have to subject myself to torture and see Tristan and Isolde because I take my cousin to the movies every year for her birthday and see whatever she wants and she picked that.

I don't think it can be worse than Hostel, which is not only about torture, but it pure torture to watch. I actually left the theatre for a bit because it was that horrible. I need friends that want to see good movies and won't make me sit through horrible things like that anymore.
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From Curt Sawyer
Website: http://ussexcalibur.blogspot.com
Torture to watch:

War of the Worlds
Highlander II
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From Stephanie
Website: http://www.medusaeyes.com
Should the tall statues be with or without the Clydesdale, bow, and arrow?
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From Steve
'Torture, child molestation, and abortion are all neck and neck for me'

What? Abortion but not rape. I mean really.
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From Curt Sawyer
Website: http://ussexcalibur.blogspot.com
I'm with you on that, Steve. I put rape up pretty high on my list of high crimes. And what about attempted murder? Just because you were too stupid to do it correctly should you be punished less than someone who was smarter and did it right?

And in a perfect world, in my humble opinion (and not to start a flame war), abortion would be legal, safe, and rare.
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From Jonsan
Steve said:
"'Torture, child molestation, and abortion are all neck and neck for me'"

'What? Abortion but not rape. I mean really.'

I would consider rape a form of torture. Any physically violent act meant to take power from and destroy the humanity of the victim is torture imo. I suppose child molestation could fall within that defintion, but I place it slightly outside. Not sure why, just on feeling.

J
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Official Comment From Jessica Mae
Statue with Clydesdale, please. You do know the rule about the legs, right?

Regarding torture: I'm back to asking for a definition before we can discuss anything. I mean, no one has even cited the dictionary yet, and I'm certainly not going to do all of the group work myself.

From dusty
Website: http://metadusty.blogspot.com
Did you just see Hostel or something - man that movie BLOWS, but there's a lot of torture in it.
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Official Comment From Jessica Mae
No, but I did read the article about people having to be ambulanced from the screening because they were grossed out to the max. (The max being medical freak-out, I guess.)

Anyway, the upside to this is that EMTs are always hot, so if you are single and not bleeding to death or something, then it's not so bad to be ambulanced.

From Curt Sawyer
Website: http://ussexcalibur.blogspot.com
Maybe the guy EMTs are hot in your experience, but the women EMTs are usually not.

Now I sit back and wait for all the female EMTs reading this list to pepper me with insults.

smile
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From Stephanie
Website: http://www.medusaeyes.com
tor·ture n.
1. Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.
2. An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain.
2. Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense.
3. Something causing severe pain or anguish.

tor·ture v.
1. To subject (a person or an animal) to torture.
2. To bring great physical or mental pain upon (another). See Synonyms at afflict.
3. To twist or turn abnormally; distort: torture a rule to make it fit a case.

(Middle English, from Old French, from Late Latin tortra, from Latin tortus, past participle of torqure, to twist.)
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Official Comment From Jessica Mae
Thanks, Stephanie.

Based on the denotation of “torture,” a technical argument could be made to include the things mentioned above, even regarding connotation, I suppose. But, keeping in mind the root and the common usage, it’s a stretch; there are more fitting words for rape, like, well, rape, and so on. So I’m going to operate under the assumption that those are their own categories outside of torture.

PS: Has anyone ever been in a medieval dungeon? It’s freaky.

From Curt Sawyer
Website: http://ussexcalibur.blogspot.com
Yes, I toured Warwick Castle in England when I was there on business, and went into the 14th century dungeon. Very creepy.

There is info on it on the website. Click "Tour Castle" and then "Caesar's Tower" and then "Click here to visit the Dungeon".

It is an awesome castle, by the way. Very well preserved. I spent an entire day there touring it one Saturday.
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Official Comment From Jessica Mae
Dude, GET OUT!

That is the exact dungeon I was speaking of.

Warwick is awesome in the summer season. The haunted tower and the dungeon are the best.

As for the latter, you can feel the past there.

From Curt Sawyer
Website: http://ussexcalibur.blogspot.com
Dudette, NO WAY!! wink

I spent 4 weeks in that area of England for business in November 2002, learning to drive on the left, learning to shift gears with my left hand, and seeing the sights on the weekends. And drinking a lot of pulled Ale and eating a lot of fish -n- chips.

Warwick was my favorite of all the places I went. They probably wondered who the creepy guy was who spent an entire day there, going through every nook and cranny in the entire place. Since it was November the crowd was thin, and I was the first person through the gate when it opened.

Didn't know you had been there, too. That place rocks.
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