JSDC
Entry: Selah
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From Dave Grant
Website: http://www.divergingroad.blogspot.com/
Lord help us.
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From Curtis M Sawyer
Website: http://ussexcalibur.blogspot.com
I feel a great disturbance in the Force...
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From Curtis M Sawyer
Website: http://ussexcalibur.blogspot.com
Hope all the comments on Pan's Labrynth didn't drive you away...

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From Sean Stubblefield
Website: http://exastra23.deviantart.com/gallery/
Wait for it...

Is this a general pondering of "things" which diverts your attention from site content, or a consideration of such content?
Or both? Please don't think you are obligated to entertain us.
This is your show, Jess. And "nothing" is a kind of something, too. Selah.
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From Curtis M Sawyer
Website: http://ussexcalibur.blogspot.com
Please don't think you are obligated to entertain us.

Not this discussion again...

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From KStrug
About how you should have started so much younger, worked so much harder, and done it for your country LIKE I DID?
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From Curtis Sawyer
Website: http://ussexcalibur.blogspot.com
Wasn't it Yoda who said something like, "There is no try. You do. Or you do not. But there is no try."
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Official Comment From Jessica
Taken literally (many people take it literally) I have always thought that to be a bullshit line: Trying is doing, in that the tries, the attempts become the “doing” and add up to the succeeding. Everything, but most tactilely; sports, has taught me that.

So the old, “you never know unless you try” I find much more useful.

In that SW scene, what Yoda is getting at is that Luke isn’t really trying. That’s a paradigm were familiar enough with in our day to day that it supplies the word “try” with a sort of negative, weak connotation. I myself don’t like to use the word. After all, someone is always whining, “I tried!” even though they really didn’t.

Because when you try hard, really hard, progress is made: When you give it your all the effort shows and you always win in some small way, even if you fail the task at hand. And then of course, if at first you don’t succeed, you can “try, try again!”

From Curtis Sawyer
Website: http://ussexcalibur.blogspot.com
I agree with you in that I think Yoda's point had more to do with the expression, "the old college try" where an expectation of failure was already present before the attempt. Luke already assumed that he couldn't do it before he even made the attempt. "That is why you fail."

The excuse of the person who didn't really try is "I tried".

Trying without an expectation of failure, without a self-full-filling prophesy of unsuccess, is not what he was talking about (if I can be so bold as to channel Yoda).

Was I able to sail a 24-foot sailboat on my first attempt? No. But I continues to try, knowing that I could, and eventually would, succeed. And after a few months I was pretty damn good. And just when I thought I was doing a great job I tried to back the boat out on my own under motor in 25 knot winds. And I failed pretty horribly. But I shall try again. And I shall eventually win. But I didn't start out backing up the boat by thinking, "I can't do this." I was thinking, "I can SO do this!" And I couldn't. Not that time. But soon.

I think it was Hemmingway who always thought that the fight to succeed was more important than the end result. Although maybe he is not the best example due to the circumstances of his death.

Anyway, I think my point was the same as your point.

To try when you expect to fail is not trying.

To try when you expect to succeed, and yet fail is something.

To fail yet continue to try is everything.
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From Curtis M Sawyer
Website: http://ussexcalibur.blogspot.com
So Selah the Contemporary Christian Music group, or the Hebrew for stop and listen?

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From Sean Stubblefield
Website: http://exastra23.deviantart.com/gallery/
"You know who else feels that way?"
Me. But as Nietzsche would say, that wind is our friend. Or it should be. Just cause we disagree sometimes doesn't mean we're not friends.


"TRY" is one of those words whose denotation has become obscured by its conotation. Anything else I say on the matter would be repeating what's already been said.

Selah, as in: pause, consider.
Really not enough of that going on.
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From Sean Stubblefield
Website: http://exastra23.deviantart.com/gallery/
one more thing...

about the Pan's Dispute: when I say it was good but not great, what I am implying is that this makes it bad... because it so could have and should have been a great movie, yet wasn't. Maybe that is what Jess intends?
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